Friday, March 30, 2012

Jet Lag

Hi,





Any tips for a first-time overseas traveler to help fight jet lag? (Denver to East Coast = 3-1/2 hour fight; then 7-1/2 hour flight to Paris) Or is it just inevitable?





Thanks,



A.




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Put your watch on to Paris time when you leave the US, try to sleep on the plane, get out for a walk in the sunlight as soon as you have checked into your apartment/hotel and try to go to bed at your normal time to re-set your body clock to local time.





Oh, and drink lots of water.




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When you arrive, stay up the whole day, spend time outside, don%26#39;t take a nap, etc. But also, get some ambien cr. It%26#39;ll help you sleep through the night when you arrive. Usually I find no problem with jet lag in Europe, probably because am so amped up, but when you get back...whew, tough.




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I tried everything until I got to know an international flight attendant. Evidently, it is common knowledge amongst airline attendants on how to beat jet lag. Here is her advice:





1. Stay and sleep in your own comfortable bed up until the time you need to get up to go to the airport.





2. Only sleep for an hour or two on the plane.





3. When you arrive, grab something to eat, go to your room and take a 3-4 hour nap.





4. When you wake up, get right on local time. For instance, if you eat dinner at 7 p.m. at home, eat dinner at 7 p.m. Paris time. If you go to bed at 11:30 p.m. at home, go to bed at 11:30 in Paris.





It works.




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I agree with MrFun. Stay up until you become a Zombie. Do some light siteseeing, taht%26#39;s more enjoyable than you think. Let Mother nature wake you up the next morning, and you will be good to go for the rest of your trip.




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There are homeopathic jet lag tablets called %26quot;No Jet-Lag%26quot; tablets. You take one when you take off, land and every 4 hours while you fly. I take them and never get jet lag so I am assuming they work. You can get them at a travel store. I think AAA sells them too in their little travel store.




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I think for most It’s inevitable, I Ditto what MrFun said, minus the Ambien cr, I’ve never had jetlag more than my first day arriving. I stay awake from the moment I wake up early in the morning till my flight lands on the other side of the pond the next day. Once I’m at my destination I’m excited enough to stay up the rest of the day and into the evening. I fall asleep naturally that evening and wake up naturally the next morning (no alarms), it’s like I’d never left home.




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Dramamine on the flight over works very well for me, and then staying awake all day and sightseeing (walking, minimal riding-- too easy to fall asleep). If/when you can get into your room, I find that a shower can be very helpful as well. I%26#39;ve found that when I nap, it takes me 4-5 days to get over the jet lag/messed up sleep cycles, and when I don%26#39;t, I%26#39;m absolutely fine the next day. Of course, I can%26#39;t take naps at home either..




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I think the best way of adjusting to local time is going to bed your first night in Paris as close as possible to your usual bedtime and getting a good night%26#39;s sleep.





If you don%26#39;t get more than a few hours sleep on the plane, you%26#39;ll probably have a difficult time staying up until your normal bedtime, and may be exhausted from your trip and after a few hours in Paris. So, if you feel like a nap, you should take one - in order to be able to stay up later - but not so long as it will keep you up past your normal bedtime.





One thing we%26#39;ve learned to do is have a good meal (even if I pack one and we enjoy it at the airport or on the plane) and then try to sleep as soon after take-off as you can. Airline food tends to be too salty and makes you too uncomfortable to sleep well. Also, it%26#39;s usually 1-2 hours or more before beverage, then food service, and your meal is over, and they wake you up at least 1/2 hour before landing, so waiting for food/beverage service on the plane cuts significantly into time available for sleeping.





A really boring movie or book always helps me to sleep on a plane. I bring Ambien, but don%26#39;t take it on the plane. I use it to get a good night%26#39;s sleep first night in Paris.




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Drinking lots of water before you leave and on the plane and no colas also helps with jet lag.





But I agree, the real key is to push yourself to stay up as long as possible the day you arrive and you should be fine.





On our last trip, we decided (for the first time of any trip) to check in our hotel when our room was ready, we took about an hour nap, showered and were off - and I have to say, I had absolutely no jet lag problems whatsoever and was able to see more that night on top of it because I wasn%26#39;t as tired. Still slept like a log and the next day was great. But that was ME!





Everybody takes the trip overseas differently. It is always harder for me coming back home than going. If you go enough, you%26#39;ll determine what works best for you. All the tips given so far are good - take what suits your style and leave the rest.




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I think the answer is to try and adjust to local time as soon as possible, and if possible take an overnight flight. The only transatlantic travel I have done is UK - Las Vegas, so assume leave LV at 1430 local set watch to 2230 which will be UK local time. I then scout the plane to find a block of three empty seats which, if the flight is not fully booked, you will find down the back.



Take whatever is the next meal offered and water, definitely no alcohal, and then go and bed down, strap yourself in. That is a bit awkward but get a strap over your body as tight as you can so you don%26#39;t hit the roof in the turbulence. Then let the relentless drone of the engines lull you to sleep. If you are near the rear in a jumbo the gentle side to side sway will rock you off to sleep nicely.



Then when you finally clear the airport and arrive at your destination try and keep occupied the rest of the day and go to bed as near your normal time as possible.



The reverse is harder because local time in USA is at a similar time difference to flight time, so you must try and rest or sleep, even though it is daytime. Then you become a morning person for a few days until the body clock adjusts.

Restaurant for wedding anniversary?

Hi I am going to La Rochelle and staying at %26quot;Les Brises%26quot; hotel for my wedding anniversary - we will be there for 3 nights. Any suggestions on a nice place to eat? Our anniversary is on 28th July which is a monday and we are arriving at about 6.30 pm - so won%26#39;t have a great deal of time to look around! Any suggestions would be great! Thanks!




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frommers.com/destinations/…D42424.html





http://www.coutanceau.com/




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Brilliant! Thanks so much - I%26#39;ll look them up and take it from there ! Thanks again.




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Les Flots, just on the harbour. Yum Yum!




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Hi, really appreciate your reply! Why do you like this place so much and what type of food does it serve? Also, any other tips you can give me as we are only in La Rochelle for 4 days!!! Thanks again!




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Hi ruhappi





I posted a review in the forum about my trip and also one about Les Flots in the restaurant reviews.





if I was going back again, I%26#39;d take half a day to walk around the town and stop off for coffee here and there. If you like food - the market is a must to stock up on stuff.





If you like walking or cycling you could visit the Ile d%26#39;Aix - half a day at least. If you are driving you could take a day trip to %26#39;Green Venice%26#39; and have a gondolier cruise you up and down the river. Or drive down the coast towards Chatillon Plage (spelling) and drive over to the ile d%26#39;Orelean (spelling)





There%26#39;s also a thallo (water treatments) at the Novotel on the Ile de Re - better to reserve in advance.





Bon voyage!




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1st Week In October, Crowd Levels?

Can anyone advise if this is a good/bad time to visit in terms of crowd level/waiting times?




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Am presuming it is not school hols in the UK so that helps. Perhaps someone can confirm if school hols in Europe.





Weekends (incl Fridays) are always busier than midweeks so you might want to consider avoiding those.





It is the start of Halloween season though so you may see a slight increase in visitors.





If all the above are in your favour I wouldn%26#39;t expect wait times over an hour max (unless you want to ride Dumbo). You can always use the Fastpass system to make the most of not queing.




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I dont know anything about the crowds at that time, but the Norwegians children have week 40 autum break.



And we heer in denmark have week 42 autum break.



And we always pay more when going away from our country in this weekends.



Mutter




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VAT Refund and type of credit card used in purchase

I made four purchases in Paris, 1 with MC the rest with Amex at the end of Oct 2007. I got them stamped and mailed them at London Stansted airport about a week later. I got the VAT refund for the purchase made with the MasterCard in March 2008, but I still haven%26#39;t gotten any refund for the three purchases made with Amex. Is there any problem with getting refund for purchases made with Amex?




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Last summer when I used AMEX to make my purchases it took at least 5 months or longer to receive my VAT refund - so much so that I had forgotten about it! But I did receive it....





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WE used Visa and got it back rather quickly. I hope there is no problem with AmEX as I virtually live on that card each month.




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hi there i was just wondering if its possible to get your refund in cash? what are the pros and cons of getting cash?




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Sorbonne Hotel - St Germain

I have booked a weekend away as a suprise for my wife for our 1st annivrsary. I decided on a superior room at the La Sorbonne Hotel in St.Germain. Has anyone stayed here before? If so, I beleive it is rather central but how central is it? And how far is the nearest metro station?





Thanks




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You can see metro stops by putting the hotel address in a Google map, or go to the Paris transport site,



www.ratp.fr





It is very centrally located, recently remodeled - I%26#39;m sure it will be good.




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This is on their web page and it only gives you a small idea of how well located the hotel is...





LOCATION





A few minutes%26#39; walk from the sites, great shopping just nearby, easy airport access... the Hotel de la Sorbonne couldn%26#39;t be better situated.





Sightseeing - The Pantheon, Luxembourg Gardens and Notre Dame are just a few minutes walk away... The Louvre and Eiffel Tower aren%26#39;t far. Sightseeing is so much simpler when your hotel%26#39;s in the heart of the city.





Shopping - From the designer boutiques of Saint Germain to the so chic Bon Marché department store, shop like a real Parisian: with style.





Going out - Café de Flore, Les Deux Magots, Brasserie Lipp, Le Petit Journal... the best restaurants, famous cafés and swinging jazz clubs are all in the area.





Culture - The majestic stone buildings of the Sorbonne University are literally opposite. The bookstores and art galleries of Saint Germain are a short walk away.





Pjk




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We collected our apartment keys from the hotel Sorbonne last year, it was about 4 minutes walk from the Luxemberg RER/metro stop, down a side street near the university and very well situated but probably quiet.



The Luxemberg Gardens are across the road from the metro stop and you can walk to St Germain through them ( very pleasant) Rue Mouffetard is not far away (5 mins) and there are lots of shops, restaurants etc about. Pantheon is round the corner. Jardins des Plantes is about 10 minutes walk towards the river.



There is another Metro on Place Monge about 8 minutes walk and also Cardinale limone a similar distance. All these take you in different directions.



It probably takes about 10 to 15 minutes interesting walk along Boulevard St Michel to place St Michel and the river, Notre Dame, st Chappelle.



Although we rented thier apartment we were treated very well by the manager and staff and I would not hesitate to recommend them.



You will enjoy I%26#39;m sure.



Denise



Love from England




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First time to Paris

Hello all, we are planning a weekend trip to Paris and would be flying in to CDG airport. This will be our first time in France. Which area in Paris is nice and nearest to the airport? And also does anyone recommend any good hotels?



Thank you x Judie x




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Why do you want to stay near the airport?





for hotel options, use the %26quot;search%26quot; function on this forum to help you get started. You will find lots of hotels suggested by people on this site.





I would suggest that you stay in one of the first 6 arrondissements if you want to be near to places you will likely want to see. (e.g. 75001, 75002, 75003, 75004, et cetera.)




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Thanks x




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This is a web site for some 4 star, 3 star, %26amp; 2 star hotels in the Marais, the 3rd and 4th arrondissments. This will give you some idea of what a hotel would cost in central Paris. This is a very safe area, very charming. It also has a link to some great restaurants. The author also has some nice tips as to the French culture.





This is not your only option, the 5th and 6th arr. are also fun to stay in and explore. There are a lot of boutique hotels to choose from.





You have the option of taking a taxi, a shuttle or the train to central Paris from CDG, very convenient.





parismarais.com/4-star-hotels-paris-marais.h…




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Linen Service

Does anyone know of a linen service available in provence? A service that would %26quot;rent%26quot; bed linens and towels for the week we are staying in a cottgae in the area? Any help at all would be greatly appreciated!!





Thanks!!




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You can probably buy what you need at Carrefour or Auchan and leave it behind cheaper than paying a service to provide you clean linen (if I even knew of such a service).





This usually only comes into play with North Americans or Austrailians who travel to vacation destinations by air. Those who drive from Great Britain and other European locations just pack what they need in the car - not practical with luggage only.




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left luggage / lockers at disney park

Hi,



I%26#39;ve looked but I can%26#39;t find anything....are there any left luggage or lockers in Disneyland Paris?





We%26#39;re hoping to come through for the day and go to the airport straight after.





Malx




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There are lockers there but they have been out of action for a long time due to security restrictions. You may be able to leave luggage at City Hall but I can%26#39;t guarantee that.




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Thanks for the info.....



Malx




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any news about left luggage in the last year???





are they operational now?





if not is there any place in the train station to leave my luggage?





im going there next month on the last day of my trip. i can buy a direct train ticket from disney park to CDG (10 minute ride) but if there is no left luggage facitilty i will have to return to paris only to take my luggage.





any ideas?




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No lockers at Disney still. Since my last post I hav found out there is a left luggage facility for a charge at City Hall. Alternatively there are left luggage lockers at the station big enough for a suitcase.




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The luggage lockers at the station are closed for security reasons. Luggage can be left at City Hall next to the Information desk (far right hand side).




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i didnt get a final answer to my question concerning the lockers in eurodisney so now that im back i hope i can help others with the same problem.





i took my chance and went to eurodisney with my lugage. i found that there is a great locker room in the trainstation.





you can put your luggage there when you arrive and take it until 22:00 (that was the situation in May - maybe there are extended hours in the summer).





i also recommend to take the TGV to the CDG airport it took me about 12 minutes to go from eurodisney to the airport which left me lot more time in the park/




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Duty-Free Shopping?

With the exchange rate as miserable as it is, I am hoping to take advantage of some duty-free shopping at the airport. However, I%26#39;m not sure about the rules. Here%26#39;s my situation: we%26#39;re flying into CDG at 6:30 in the morning on a Tuesday, and we fly out at 6:00 in the morning a week later. Am I only permitted to shop duty-free when I leave the country, or could I stick around CDG the morning I arrive? Or perhaps make a trip to CDG the day before I leave? Or does the fact that I leave at the crack of dawn just leave me out of luck?





Thanks!




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I was wondering if there is any advantage, price-wise, to duty free shopping




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Most items in France are subject to the VAT, which is pretty steep (in the neighborhood of 20%). While you can get the VAT refunded when you leave the country, you have to buy something like $200 worth in one store to be eligible. Since I just want to be able to buy some wine, some souvenirs, and some cosmetics on my way out of the country, it would be worth it to me to be able to make those purchases duty-free.




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You can only shop in duty-free stores just before leaving the country, you%26#39;ll be asked to show your boarding pass at the cash.





Brand-name cosmetics and perfume can be cheaper, souvenirs usually aren%26#39;t. Sometimes the lines at registration and security check are such, that one doesn%26#39;t have that much time left for the duty-free shops.




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Duty free shops may not be open that eary at CDG. And, you also need to know which terminal you will be using - not all have the same amount of duty free shopping available. The terminal we usually fly out of on Delta only has a wine and candy shop and a small cafe. (atleast that was true 2 years ago) There are others with more available, but you may not be able to get to them. I think www.easycdg.com is a website that will tell you what is located where.





I%26#39;ve learned not to wait till the airport to buy what I want. I had a friend not buy a piece of crystal in Paris a few years back because she was told she could get it at the airport cheaper before the flight. She might could have, but not at our terminal. She missed out on something she really wanted.




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I%26#39;ve never been able to get VAT back except in Canada, which seemed to really care if you got it back and mailed you the refund. At CDG, even when I have the forms, the lines are wayb too long to bother. Better to try to get a little off at the store...Catherine on Rue Daniel Casanova gave me 10 Euros off a purse when I said I would not be able to collect VAT.




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Sunday brunch in Paris

Hi there,



what is THE sunday brunch I shouldn%26#39;t absolutely miss while in Paris?



thanks!




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It is more a fairly expensive lunch than brunch but if you would like to eat with a view of the Eiffel Tower, either the Cafe de l%26#39;Homme terrace at Musee de l%26#39;Homme at Trocadero or Les Ombres at Musee du Quai Branly would be pretty memorable. Both open at midday on Sunday (and all week)




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DO NOT--I REPEAT--DO NOT eat at Le Viaduc Cafe in the 12e under Le Promenade Plantee at Le Viaduc des Arts near the Metro Gare de Lyon. They advertise a jazz brunch on Sunday. The music was horrible (and it wasn%26#39;t jazz--they told me they get different groups/music each week), the food was horrible, the service was horrible, and it was pretty expensive. There is nothing good to say about my experience at this restaurant. A big disappointment.




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What about the Ritz or the Hotel Crillion brunches? They are expensive but are they worth the price as well? What about other options, like the Hilton Paris?



thanks!




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How about Hotel Meurice. I have seen pictures of their dining room and it looks beautiful. I know they serve breakfast, dinners and tea. I don%26#39;t know for sure about Sunday brunch.




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I love the Brunch at Prince de Galles next door to George V. It is pricy but in a beautiful setting, and very good. Never been disappointed.





Avalon




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Crillon is excellent and a less expensive way to enjoy Les Ambassedeurs.




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Someone on chowhound said they thought brunch at Hotel Crillion is 70E




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CDG shopping

Hello!





We are leaving paris this saturday morning, and are flying out of Terminal 3, which according to their website has no duty free shopping at all! Mostly interested in their duty free cosmetics. Am I allowed to go to terminal 2 for duty free shopping after I check in at Terminal 3?





Thanks!






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Hi,





There was definitely a duty free with cosmetics/perfumes in Terminal 3 when I was there a couple of weeks ago. I usually have a wander around, but I didn%26#39;t this time. But it looked like the usual cosmetics/perfumes/alcohols/cigarettes.





Go to the website www.aeroportsdeparis.fr/Adp/en-GB/Passagers/





Click on Shopping, then pull down the menus for %26quot;select a theme%26quot; where you will find perfumes and cosmetics%26quot; and the other menu for the terminal





There you will find a number of shops listed, e.g. Beauty Unlimited.







There is a link on the righthand side of the page where you can download a plan of the terminal which shows two duty free shops labelled %26quot;perfume, cosmetics ...%26quot; in addition to Beauty Unlimited.





Actually now I think about it, there were some quite nice clothes as well, that I had a look at.





Where did you read that there was no duty free?








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Terminal 3 does not have a Duty Free area that I have seen. There is no quick connection to Terminal 2 and you will not be allowed in the Duty Free area of Terminal 2 anyway if your boarding pass does not show one of their gates/flights.



Maybe you will have some choices on board, depending on your airline.




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Trip Report -- First Time in Paris

We arrived home yesterday from our first trip to France. We spent 8 nights in Paris. It is a great city! We went with an itinerary and did some of it -- saved a few things for another visit. People ask, what did you like the best? That%26#39;s very hard to say. Here are a few of my favorites -- seeing the Eiffel Tower (there%26#39;s something magical about that, especially at night!), the Louvre -- awesome!!, lunch at Le Tastevin and walking around Isle St. Louis, lunch on the 56th floor of Montparnesse Tower, succesfully going everywhere on the Metro, Notre Dame, Giverny (the flowers were beautiful this time of year) and Luxembourg Park. Thanks to all of you for your help and advice with planning. Paris is a beautiful city and my thought today is how lucky I am to have visited this wonderful place. I hope my children and grandchildren will one day be able to have the same experience. That%26#39;s about the highest praise I can give to any city that I have ever visited. To those of you planning a visit, I say ENJOY!




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abbysgranny, I am so glad you enjoyed Paris. You were very lucky to have 8 nights. Wow! I want to go back so bad I can%26#39;t stand it but don%26#39;t know that I ever will have the opportunity :( Would love to read a trip report if you are so inclined to write one.





Nana




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Abbysgranny -- glad to hear you had a wonderful trip. My husband and I are planning a trip to Paris next spring and I also would like to go to Giverny. Could you please give me details on how you did the trip?? Daytrip?? tour or on your own?? etc. Thank you, Diane




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Diane, Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. It%26#39;s hard to get back to the real world! We went on a bus to Giverny as part of a guided tour we were on. I saw tour busses and minivans (Cityrama and Paris Vision). It tok about an hour and a half to get there. You need several hours there to enjoy the garden and home. Hope this helps.




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No problem, Annysgranny. Thanks for the information. Diane




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Things to do/see around St Paul de Vence when raining!

We are off to St Paul de Vence at the end of this week and rain forecast so looking for interesting day trips by car please. Many thanks




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Forecast was for overcast w/ showers in afternoon for today, but we had sunshine instead. Beach around Frejus saw many visitors.





That said, if it rains the region has a multitude of museums, of which Fondation Maeght comes to mind for being right next to St Paul de Vence. There%26#39;s also a scenic drive along the Gorges du Loup by Gourdon not far from St Paul de Vence, stopping by the Confiserie Florian in Bar sur Loup for a tour of candied fruit confection. I enjoy the coastal drive between Cannes and Agay even under rainy weather (be careful driving, of course). Another thing to consider for a weekend of rain is a cooking class - I%26#39;ve heard of a fun one in Nice that includes a stroll in Cours Saleya. Check on web or TA boards to find details.





Personally, I%26#39;m betting on reasonably good weather for the weekend but the above are a few ideas in case of drizzle. if it%26#39;s a downpour, I would stay off the roads.





AzurAlive.com




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open-air markets/second hand/antique/flea markets

I am going to Paris for 4 days and love to shop for truly unique things. I love flea markets and open-air markets where you can barter. Are there any that you would recommend? We are staying in the Bastille area. Thanks for your help!




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I like Les Puces- Take a cab there but then you can take the Metro. Maybe others can post more-It has antiques/Posters/Good stuff and food.





There may be more than one I rememebr it%26#39;s near the outskirts i think seeing Saint Ouen sign.





Definitely to be seen, we bought jewelry and A lovely dog statue.





Be careful besdies the %26#39;fleas%26#39; there are a plethora of pickpockets there.





D.




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This site might help: www.v1.paris.fr/en/Living/markets/markets




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Thank you for your advice! I%26#39;m so excited about my trip!




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Here%26#39;s another link to a listing of flea markets:



discoverfrance.net/France/Paris/Shopping/Par…




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Thank you! This site is great! Although the other link didn%26#39;t work, the main site was quite helpful. Thanks again!




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If coming before July 6, you could check out http://www.foiresaintgermain.org/




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Near Bastille is marche Saint Paul at metro Saint Paul/Le Marais.




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Art Crawl in 4 Hours?

My husband and I will only have part of one day in July to visit art museums. I know many would advise we just choose one to properly appreciate it, but we do feel compelled--for better or worse--to see certain pieces with which we are familiar. Someday, if (when) we return, we can take our time.





So, is it reasonable, with a Paris Museum Pass, to accomplish the following %26quot;Art Crawl%26quot; in 4 hours (9:00-1:00)? We plan to take Bus #69 from Rue Cler as sort of hop-on, hop-off transportation.





I think it wouldn%26#39;t be too out of the question to spend 1-2 hours in each museum, but am not sure about time for transportation/lines. I%26#39;ve downloaded the rapt map. Anything else I should know about the bus route/stops?





1: Rodin Museum. Visit garden: The Thinker and The Kiss inside.





2: Orsay. Walk through Impressionist Rooms.





3: Louvre: Venus de Milo, Mona Lisa





Thanks for any advice!




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You%26#39;d have to really hustle - but, sure, go for it!





It%26#39;s a bit of a walk from Bus 69 on rue Saint-Dominique to Musee Rodin and back. Visiting in reverse order would be somewhat more efficient. Or, taking a taxi from one to the next would save you some time. That%26#39;s what I would do with only four hours to visit all three.




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keycamp. st. raphael - douce quietude

Hi, I am travelling to this place in the first two weeks in august. I am travelling with 2 14 year olds (twins) and a 17 year old. Can anyone let me know if they have been here and what it is like. Also if it is expensive in this area. What would an average family meal cost, for example? How much is admission to the aquapark, cost for diving, bike hire etc. Any good restaurants you could recommend and places to go! Thanks a mil






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We stayed here here last year with 4 kids then 18,16,13 and 11. We enjoyed it so much we have booked to go again this July. We found by going for the menu of the day in local restaurants and shopping around, you could get a good 3 course meal for between 15 and 20 euro each plus drinks ~(make sure you ask for tap water which is normally free). Explore Nice old town and go up to the citadel area for views over the bay - the kids enjoyed eating in Nice at the market area in the old town. In the evening it converts to eating places. We had a drink and sent them off to assess all the different menus and decide where to eat. Try Le Draumont beach(or as my kids called it American landing beach) about 10 mins from site - plenty of free car parking and trees to go under in the heat of the day. Would really recommend you buy snorkel sets for everyone if you haven%26#39;t got them. not expensive, We took 2 we had bought last minute in Tesco and bought 4 more the first day! The life even just at your feet under the sea is amazing, kept all kids quiet for hours. Loads of different fish and even saw cuttle fish and octopus. Try a sous marine trip in a boat with a glass bottom keel from Agay approx 11 euro each try and get 1st boat of day, less crowded www.tmr-saintraphael.com. Visit the market along the front at St Raphael in the evening from about 8 pm onwards. We went to marineland in Antibes for a day - expensive but well worth it for killer whales, shark tunnel, dolphin and sealion shows.www.marineland.fr to price it up. Take a day trip to Monaco ~(about an hour in the car) and visit the exotic gardens for fanastic cacti and a cave tour and terrific views, walk around the casino gardens and old town see the palace and cathedral, and visit Eze on the way or way back for a beautiful village perche, no cars and lovely narrow winding streets to explore. Go to Frejus and explore roman remains(we did alot of that one of the kids is mad on roman history sadly) and we ate in the square there one evening. Drive up to the highest point of the Esteral area (off the inland road to Cannes) for more amazing views. There is an aquapark at Frejus but we didn%26#39;t use it so don%26#39;t know what its like. Go to St Maxime (do not attempt to drive further appalling traffic) and get the bateaux vert across to St Tropez wander round and marvel at the luxary boats in the harbour!!! It was too hot for bike hire when we were there last July so we didn%26#39;t try that option. There%26#39;s entertainment on the campsite every night but to be honest we didn%26#39;t spend much time there, we like to see the local area when we are away and tend to only use the sites as sleeping bases, but the site staff were nice and very helpful and the pools were good. The shop on site was pricey, we thought, we used the local le clerc supermarket about 5 mins away alot. We are looking forward to going again. hope you enjoy it too, if there%26#39;s anything else I can help you with do ask.




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Hi joanie2. Thank you very much, you have been most helpful. I am delighted you had such a good time and are heading back there. That is very reassuring! We will endeavour to do all the things you recommend as we too, like to do alot of sight seeing.





Thank you again and enjoy your trip in July





Many thanks




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It%26#39;s a great train ride to Monaco with wonderful veiws you can all enjoy and you won%26#39;t have the hassle of parking when you get there.




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We had no problem parking at Monaco, we went straight to the underground car park under the old town. If you do drive don%26#39;t try the bottom coastal route from Nice, its a bottle neck for driving lots of traffic. We went straight there on the auto route from Frejus and then came back on the middle corniche to Nice for great coastal views stopping at Eze. By the way this year we plan to get to the gorges du verdon which has been recommended and sounds good.




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Hi, I%26#39;ve just returned from Douce quietude yesterday ,May 22nd and had a lovely stay. It is a great campsite with good facilities and friendly staff. We ate at the campsite restaurant 3 times. If you get to it just as its opening the service wasn%26#39;t too bad. You can also reserve a table. It wasn%26#39;t that expensive either surprisingly. Main courses were around 12 to 15 euros. The plat du jour was cheaper and pasta/pizza/omlette dishes were from 8 euros. There were 4 of us- 2 adults 2 children and our bill was 50-60 euros for main courses only and drinks. Though our children are younger. House wine was cheap. We never ate out elsewhere sadly.



In Saint Raphael/Frejus itself I didn%26#39;t find it as expensive as I%26#39;d feared for coffees and snacks. Coffees were usually around 3.50 euros and baguettes around 5 euros. Ice creams around 2 euros. However, the prices went up a couple of euros for hot drinks in St.Tropez and Cannes.



There is a ferry to St.Tropez from Saint Raphael -22 euros return for adults. You can also get a smaller boat to St.Tropez from Saint Maxime which was a half hour drive away. (might be more in Aug) We got the boat from there as it was only 11 euros return and there are more sailings.-every 20 mins. Saint Tropez was lovely. I%26#39;d definitely recommend going. It was surprisingly busy.



I liked the beach in Frejus town itself and the beach at Agay which is directly down the road.



The coatal road from Agay to Mandelieu was really stunning- with loads of twists and turns. If you don%26#39;t mind that you should drive it.



Bike hire was 10 euros for 3 days at this time of year.



Hope some of this is useful and have a nice time when you go!




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Hi nc72, thank you for your reply. It has been very helpful and good to know rough prices as it helps with the budget. Will definitely try the days out - sounds great! thanks again




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I am heading in about 4 weeks and this thread has been really useful and reassuring.





My only concern at the moment is we are driving from Nice Airport to the campsite - is it straightforward (well signposted once you get to St Raphael)and are there any tolls I%26#39;ll need to have ready.





My French is rubbish so I%26#39;m worried about getting lost!!





thanks,





Noel.




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There is at least one toll on the autoroute, can%26#39;t remember how much but wasn%26#39;t very much 3 or 4 euro I think. You got a ticket from the machine at the toll booth about 1/2 way along the autoroute and then paid when you exited. I found last year the best way to get directions to the site was to go to google maps and the get directions tab, enter details ie nice airport to Douce quietude and then print them off. they were clear and easy to follow. I think the AA website would do something similar. If you are with keycamp they should give you directions to the site




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By the way might bump into you there, I%26#39;m going in about 4 weeks too, always nice to hear voices from home!




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Hi, we returned from douce quietude on thursday after spending 12 days there. Apart from the truly awful weather (only 2 full days without rain!), we had a good time and will be returning next year but going to go in July when the weather might be better and we will have a bigger chalet! The campsite itself is lovely, we haven%26#39;t been on this type of holiday before and didn%26#39;t know what to expect but we were pleasantly suprised. Everything is really clean and well kept. The 3 pools are great but be aware that male swimmers can%26#39;t wear shorts in the water and have to wear swimming trunks. The staff actually told men off in the pool - we called them the speedo police!



As far as expenses go it can be as cheap or as expensive a holiday as you like really. The best supermarket is the LeClerc which isn%26#39;t too far away - (try the takeaway roast chickens from the stall outside - delicious!)We stocked up there and it was the same price as Tesco etc. The restaurant on the campsite is quite reasonable, as someone else has said, the staff are friendly but a bit inexperienced (or completely hopeless if i%26#39;m being honest!). We spent around 60 - 70 euros for 2 adults and 1 child%26#39;s meals with drinks and wine. In St Raphael itself the restaurants aren%26#39;t too pricey either, about the same cost as the campsite for most average restaurants. The aquapark seemed expensive compared to others in europe we have been to, i can%26#39;t remember the price itself but i know it was dear.



From the airport to the campsite there are 2 tolls, 1 is 2.40 euros the other is 2.70 euros - have change ready! Also, try not to stop at the automobile museum services on the motorway. We pulled in to try and get the baby%26#39;s bottle warmed and saw a few men standing round, it was only when my husband got out of the car and was followed that we realised it was some sort of pick up place! Not against that sort of thing but it%26#39;s not my husbands cup of tea ha ha.



Due to the weather we really got out and about. We went to Cannes, Nice, St Maxime, St Tropez, Monaco and had great time in all of these places, especially Monaco. I can%26#39;t remember the names of any restaurants but i can honestky say we didn%26#39;t have a bad meal in the time we were there. Just go for the plat de jour and you can%26#39;t go far wrong. Anyway, this has turned into an epic! I hope you enjoy yourselves, i%26#39;m sure you will. The place will be great in August with lots for the teenagers to do.

A View of Paris...

It%26#39;s been a while since I%26#39;ve seen Paris and as I prepare for my return, I%26#39;m reminded of all those things that turned my vacation into an experience, where Paris%26#39; beauty was matched by the vivid personalities of the Parisians I was so very blessed to meet.





Their warmth sustained me during a February week that brought bitter chills, yet that effortless laughter and embrace of life that Parisians possess comforted and welcomed me.





Anyone who%26#39;s spent moments in Paris can attest to her charms, her elegance, her culinary wonders - all presented with ease; from the top of the sparkling La Tour Eiffel, along the Seine or under an outdoor cafe%26#39;s lamp, my affections for Paris were immediately surrendered.





My photographs that I share here are but melancholy reminders of one incredible journey to an unbelievable city and although I%26#39;m far removed from Paris, she remains never far from my heart.





Until we meet again - Merci Paris...





http://www.flickr.com/photos/7989202@N04/sets/72157605495317989/




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As I said previously, BFG, wonderful photographs!





FYI to anyone trying to view BFG%26#39;s photos - you%26#39;ll have to cut and paste the URL into your browser%26#39;s address field.




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Merci (again) Oui - :-)





I%26#39;m not sure why I can%26#39;t directly link my photos, but thanks for sharing the access instructions!




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Lovely photos, thank you for sharing them, BFG.





I wish the forum wouldn%26#39;t do that with links, %26#39;tis rater annoying!




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Thank you... I think that may be a new TA policy; I don%26#39;t recall having this problem previously...?





Here%26#39;s hoping that upon my return this September, it%26#39;ll be resolved, %26#39;cause I%26#39;ll certainly have additional photographic memories to share!





Cheers...




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staying in country

Has anyone ever heard of or stayed at a place that is advertised on Trip Advisor called %26quot;Loire Valley Breaks%26quot;? They offer 3 or 4 nights and visits to wineries. Haven%26#39;t been able to find any reviews regarding this place. Any ideas of where else to look? Thank you for any assistance.




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I am trying to find out the same thing. Have you found any more info on them, yet?




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Most of us are happy to accommodate short breaks in the low and mid seasons. Almost all of us here have knowledge of good vineyards and caves where you%26#39;ll find free tastings. Where especially are you thinking of?




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I put Loire Valley Breaks into Google and the first thing up was a B%26amp;B calling themselves Loire Valley Breaks (surprise, surprise). They say they offer accompanied wine tours, chateau tours, bike tours etc. Could that be the people in question? They don%26#39;t give any idea of price (or at least it%26#39;s not obvious).




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Correction - after digging around I hit by accident on their rates. Ouch! They hurt! :) I%26#39;d rather stay in a similar standard B%26amp;B for half the price and organise my own itinerary - but it%26#39;s up to you. A lot of B%26amp;B%26#39;s offer tour packs, itineraries etc. for free - except that we don%26#39;t troll along with you. But if that%26#39;s what you%26#39;re after ...





We%26#39;re not in that area, BTW, so I%26#39;ve no personal axe to grind, just an opinion to offer. :)




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Have to agree with Basse Cour. It does seem steep, then again, you pays your money and you takes your choice!




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We just got back from a fabulous trip at the Loire Valley Breaks B%26amp;B. It is beautiful and clean and the hosts Debbie and Mark could not be nicer. We stayed in Paris and in a Chateau in Amboise, but our favorite place by far was the Loire Valley Breaks B%26amp;B. The B%26amp;B is completely updated with beautiful private rooms and spacious bathrooms. The prices are actually very reasonable when you think about all that is included--in fact we wondered why they weren%26#39;t charging more. We had breakfasts and dinners provided with wine before, during, and after the evening meal (all included). Our transportation all over the Loire Valley was included, plus bike rental, not to mention the amazing relief it is to have Mark take you around. He is fluent in French and English and knows so much about the area. He drove and translated all the amazing sights we saw. We got to customize our trip and pick exactly what we%26#39;d like to see with some very helpful suggestions from Mark. I would recommend this place to anyone. You will see things that no other %26quot;tourist%26quot; will probably ever get to experience. If you are looking for a wonderful, %26quot;off the beaten path%26quot; place - this is it. Debbie is a marvelous chef and the food is wonderful. Had we known it was going to be so great, we would have stayed there for our entire trip.






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Loire Valley or the Dordogne?

Hello, we have a couple of days to spend in central France this fall before heading south to our vacation rental. We are debating between spending these days in the Loire valley or the Dordogne. We are very interested in castles, but also very interested in food and wine, so it is a tough choice. Any opinions on which we should choose? Thanks so much for your help!




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We%26#39;ll assume you%26#39;re starting in Paris -- where is your rental? That will have much to do with our suggestions, as the Loire is pretty much on the way to anywhere south, but the Dordogne could be a very long and arduous detour, depending on where you%26#39;re going to end up.




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Hi Sunshine,





Our rental is in the Languedoc, a short distance outside of Carcassonne. Yes, we will be heading south after visiting Paris and Mont-St-Michel. Thanks for your help!




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We have not been to the Dordogne, but have been to the Loire. If you have a car, there are many Chateau in the area. We stayed near Tours and visited Chennonceau, Amboise, Villandry to name just a few. It is a great area, and depending on your route, may be just along the way




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If you%26#39;re headed to the Carcassonne area, then yes, the Dordogne is very doable.





It%26#39;s absolutely stunning, and the food and wine there is amongst the best in France (with due apologies to Lyon!)





I would choose the Dordogne -- the castles are much older, but were actually used as battlements, and to us, far more interesting.




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Having stayed in both these areas I would be hard pressed to choose between them.



The Loire between Blois and Angers has many chateau, both the aristocratic ornate super-hunting lodge style and also the fortified defensive type. The valley of the river is quite pretty but drive away from it and the area is just the normal rural. There are a number of towns, large towns, and major cities to visit. The area is has many vineyards and produces wine of many different appellations. The cuisine is as good as most of France.



The River Dordogne gives its name to the Dordogne Region. However the most scenic part of the river is at the far eastern end of the Dordogne Region, and continues into the Lot and the Correze Regions. The chateau are normally the fortified defensive type, but the surrounding area is generally more scenic. The towns tend to be smaller and no major cities. This is not a major wine appellations area, but Bergerac and Cahors are reasonably local, though you can find good wine all over France. The cuisine is very good and may just edge a win (others will dispute this), depending on your personal tastes.



Thats a quick run down on the criteria you mentioned. Either is a good choice. For a couple of days maybe the Loire as there is a lot in a compact area from wherever you stay, though I would say the Dordogne area is prettier.



Hope this helps.




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If you go strictly from the logistics, the Loire is about 2 hours from most of Paris.





The Dordogne is 6 hours from Paris. Just get on the motorway and go -- it%26#39;s boring interstate, but the roads are good and travel is much faster than the scenic route.





Carcassone is roughly 9-10 hours from Paris -- or 3-4 hours from the Dordogne (it%26#39;s just a little to far to make a day trip and get back to the Dordogne!).





It might make an otherwise crazy-long road trip a little more bearable to break it in two, even if you%26#39;ll spend one long day and one not-so-bad day in the car.




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Thanks so much for your replies! I think we are leaning towards the Dordogne. It sounds right up our alley and even though it is a bit more spread out, I think we%26#39;d really enjoy it. Thanks again!




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Spending a day in Caen

We will be in Bayeux for 3 days and I am thinking of taking the train to Caen for one day. Is travel within the town easy enough? it looks like there is good public transit, but I am looking for some verification that this is a good idea.





If you think the day trip to Caen is not as good as something else, what do you think. I think Mount St Michel would be nice, but I am more interested in leasure walking and seeing sites in a relaxed fashion rather than fighting crowds.





Any input is appreciated,




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Caen has plenty to do, including the War Memorial Museum which many on this forum report is Excellent.





You COULD consider taking the train to Rouen, although it would be longer, Rouen has a lovely Cathederal, and much history, but again, like Le Mont, is going to be more %26#39;touristy%26#39; than Caen.




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Caen is so easy to get around on foot although I would recommend the bus out to the Caen Memorial . They even have cycles you pay for on a slot basis and you can leave it at another cycle park in town so you don%26#39;t even have to go back to where you started. As said there are a lot of modern buildings but there is still some history to see



http://www.ville-caen.fr/gb/index.html





We love Caen for its ease od getting around and it never seems too busy, the shopping is good too!




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Giverny day trip

If we plan to go to Giverny on our own, I understand I have to take the metro to the Gare St. Lazare station and then the train to Vernon and then a bus to the gardens. How far is the train station from the metro or are they in the same building??? What time should we get to train station in order to get the train tickets and make the train? I will have two teens and husband with me so I%26#39;m trying to research so It will go smoothly!! Also, do I just buy our entrance tickets at Giverny or should I do that on line before we leave the US?





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Last time I went I took 8:25 at Gare Saint Lazare.



Metro brings you under train station and there is a little bit of walking depending on line.



Since Gare Saint Lazare is near Opera/Madeleine/Department stores, it is a good idea to go 1 day before or so and get your ticket, schedule for return and look for platform train is leaving from. It is not hard but can be confusing esp. if you are getting there on the late side. I got my Giverny ticket at the door. Go to gardens first, you can always go to house later.




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As noted, the early (08:17 AM) direct SNCF train from PARIS-Gare Saint Lazare to VERNON. The previous suggestion of stopping at Gare Saint Lazare the day before to purchase your tickets is a good idea, saving you a bit of time and potential hassle prior to your departure...and orienting you to the station lay-out for a quick passage through for your early moning train. If you want to %26#39;..dazzle..%26#39; your family with your Paris %26#39;..savvy..%26#39;, slip away for a bit on your own, without saying where you%26#39;re going or what you%26#39;re about and make your way to Gare Saint Lazare on your own...and they%26#39;ll be amazed when you lead them through the %26#39;strange%26#39; station to their train%26#39;s departure platform the following morning...like an ole%26#39; Paris-hand.





Between the 08:17 AM train to Vernon and the Vernon-Giverny shuttle bus, you should arrive at the entrance gates to Monet%26#39;s Home and Garden by 09:15. The gates don%26#39;t open until 09:30 so there shouldn%26#39;t be much of a queue waiting to purchase entrance tickets...so even if advance ticket purchase were possible (I don%26#39;t thing it is...but I%26#39;m not sure) there shouldn%26#39;t be much need for it.





One tip for Monet%26#39;s Home %26amp; Gardens: when the gates open and your first enter, blow past the home and upper floral gardens and beat a path down to the tunnel-entrance to the %26#39;..Les Nympheas..%26#39; water gardens at the lower-back portion of the property (there are %26#39;..Les Nympheas..%26#39; signs to direct you). The Les Nympheas water-garden isn%26#39;t quite as large as your impression of it may be from having seen the pictures over the years. Getting down to it as quickly as possible will allow you some time there with fewer other visitors to clutter your sight-lines and block your camera angles. Then return for the upper floral gardens and home.




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Car Hire - Nice Airport

I posted this in the wrong forum, so here goes again! We are flying into Nice airport on 27th July and wondered if anyone knew if it%26#39;s cheaper to hire a car once in France or do it before we go, there are 7 of us so we need a people carrier.





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At that time of year all of Cote d%26#39;Azur is frantically busy so you need to pre-book from UK. If you try on arrival you would be v lucky to get what you need. I use Holiday Autos. For collection and return at Nice Airport they are quoting £550 for a week for a 7seat Renault Espace or £750 for a 9seat VW Caravelle.As you will presumably all have at least one case the Espace would probably not be big enough overall even though it has enough seats.





As end July/August is peak season in NIce (all of Paris seems to decamp to Cote d%26#39;Azur then) there are no bargain prices on offer. Oh and the roads are congested for the same reason.




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In our experience definitely cheaper to prebook from the UK.



Prices and offers like free upgrades and additional drivers change all the time, so it%26#39;s a good idea to do a trawl of lots of the broker and car hire company websites.





Some of the ones I always try include:



www.kelkoo.co.uk- (results not in any order so need to look at them all)



www.auto-europe.co.uk



www.travelsupermarket.com



www.carhiresearch.co.uk



plus the main rental companies own sites eg Avis, Hertz, Alamo and Sixt.







Auto Europe can be useful because they price match if you can find a cheaper quote elsewhere and don%26#39;t charge cancellation fees.




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Hi thanks very much to both of you for replying, think I will pre book, do you think we will need a car, we are staying in boulouris, we don%26#39;t really go sight seeing we are beach people with some horse riding thrown in. What is the travel network like in the area?




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If you stay in boulouris near st raphael, yes , you will need a car because you have nothing around except beach ::))





it%26#39;s a residential area and the center with restaurant, supermarket...at 10 min by car or you could take a bus (the day not the night)




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baggage at Marseille St Charles

What time does the left luggage office at Marseille St Charles open on Saturdays, anyone know?




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Day trip to Versaille

What is the best way to do a 1/2 day trip to Versaille? Through a tour company or on our own. This is our first trip to Paris. Also, how do we see the fountains when we%26#39;re there?




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You can get to Versailles by RER, which is part of the metro system. It is very easy. Versailles is the end of the line about a half hour from central Paris, so you can%26#39;t miss your stop. The Palace is only about 2 blocks from the train station and everyone getting off the train will be going there, so just follow the leader. We spent about 2 hours on a self guided tour in November, but we did not spend time outside due to the weather.





The cost of the train was about 5.40 round trip. If you have a 5 zone metro pass this is included, but probably not worth buying the extra zones just for the trip to Versailles. if you are unfamiliar with metro fares/passes you can read the many posts on this site.





There is also a great crepe restaurant across from the train station in Versailles.




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Much will depend on how much %26#39;..hand holding..%26#39; you need. You can certainly take one of the many escorted tour out to Chateau de Versailles but this is one of the simplest and esaiest DIY day trips that you can do from Paris.





Simply take the RER C-5 train (in the direction of Versailles-Rive Gauche) from one of it%26#39;s stations along the Left Bank--Saint Michel, Musee d%26#39;Orsay, Invalides, Champ de Mar--to the end of the ligne at VERSAILLES-RIVE GAUCHE (apprax. 45 mins--8-9 Euro r.t.), then out of the station and a short stroll (5 mins) up to the chateau (head for Entrance Gate %26#39;B%26#39;). If you have a Carte Musee et Monuments pass, basic enrtance fees but not the State Apartments tour or the Grand Fountain displays (in-season).





The GRANDES EAUX MUSICALE fountain shows will not begin again for the season until March 26th. Then they will be offered on Saturdays %26amp; Sundays at 10:30 AM and 5:00 PM and will require a separate entrance fee (tickets can be purcahsed at the fgate. Once at Versailles, you can sign up for one of their own escorted tours or take one of the self-directed audio tours.





CHATEAU de VERSAILLES-- http://www.chateauversailles.fr/




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przyk %26amp; kdksail - thanks for the great info. we don%26#39;t really need the hand holding so much as the information they share along the way. we are already doing an actual tour guide to normandy, and didn%26#39;t really want to do another if it was realistic for us to do on our own. do they do guided tours once you%26#39;re there. thanks for the tip about the crepes! plus, we want to take the train to see some of the scenery outside of paris. Bummer about the fountains, we will be there in july, monday through friday, leaving early am for barcelona.




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%26gt;%26gt;%26gt; we will be there in july, monday through friday%26lt;%26lt;%26lt;





Bear in mind that the Chateau is CLOSED on MONDAYs and Wednesdays may be the best day for escorted guided tours offered by the chateau. I seem to recall that they used to do an evening fountain/light/music show on Wednesdays (or my memory may simply be playing tricks on me)--but there%26#39;s none on this year%26#39;s Calendar of Events---but add the Chateau de Versailles web site to your FAVORITES list and keep checking up until you leave for up-dates to it.




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I have the same question that you posed in 2005. Seeing a historical site with a guide can provide a more interesting and informative experience. Is Versaille much better with a guide and worth the extra expense, or is it set-up well for a self-guided tour? It appears to be easy to reach from Paris on your own.




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We did Versailles totally on our own and enjoyed it just fine - the fountains were fabulous!





The only thing I was concerned about was using the RER as it was my first time in Paris and it is a bit different from the metro - lines split, etc. But if you read much on this forum, you can get all the help you need on that topic.





I%26#39;m not much for tours, so I say go it alone . . . either way, you will love Versailles.




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driving to lourdes

iam hoping to drive to lourdes on the way to estartit can you anybody give me the approx travel times from calais thanks




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Lourdes is about 10.5 hrs driving from Calais, without stops or holdups, via Paris, Orleans and Toulouse. This is the most direct route via the Paris periphique, and at busy times this can be very slow indeed. If you want to miss it go via Rouen and Poitiers and Bordeaux, about half an hour more. Rouen can be busy but nothing like the periphique.



Lourdes to l%26#39;estartit is about 5 hrs driving, via Toulouse, Narbonne and Perpignan.




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Tours

I know its further up France but we nthink Tours will be about half way in our drive down into Aquataine to pick our boat holiday up.



Do you know if its a decent place to stay overnight?



As we are looking to stay overnight before resuming our drive the next day.



First two weeks in August.






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Halfway from where? Don%26#39;t know where your boat holiday starts. On the motorway it%26#39;s 4-5 hours from Tours to Bordeaux.




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I%26#39;ve stayed over in Tours twice en route Calais to Biarritz. We were certainly ready for the break from driving.



Stayed at Novotel and F1. All the chain hotels are in the same area just off the motorway. I found the area very quiet as it is basically an out of town retail development.




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Where to watch Euro 2008?

Assuming France makes it out of group, we will be in Paris for the matches on 21-22 June. We%26#39;re staying right near Place de l%26#39;Odeon. Any recommendations for a place nearby with 1) good TV%26#39;s, 2) a lively enthusiastic crowd, and 3) possible seating?




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I was in Paris for the 2006 Mondiale and will be there in a week and plan to watch the Euro too. I don%26#39;t remember specific places, but there are lots and lots of great places to watch the matches. Perhaps a local can suggest a few great spots though. Cheers!




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Bars and Pubs will show the games. There is one on rue des quatre vents near Odeon.




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O%26#39;neills and lots of other pubs with game time seating are just a block from Mabillon metro station.




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Thanks for the prompt response. I can%26#39;t wait to get to Paris ... Woo hoo!




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related question- anyone know if they%26#39;ll be showing matches on big screens (hotel de ville, champ de mars...) for the tournament? don%26#39;t know if it was just rugby and roland garros since they%26#39;re near here...




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recent reviews of seine river cruises

I am not sure which cruise i would like so if you done any of these please give your review.





1st i%26#39;m not sure if i want to do a dinner cruise or just a night illuminations cruise.



i looked at vendettes cruise, which seemed nice without dinner just the cruise 1 hour long reasonably priced. i believe i%26#39;d have to board at ile de la cite (notre dame)



the other one with dinner is bateaux parisiens



and captain fricasse?





originally i thought eiffel tower w/dinner at altitude 95, seine river cruise, and moulin rouge



there are so many different packages, so any recommendations are appreciated.




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There are so many Seine river cruises available, and you can always just walk up and hop on the next one. Most depart every half hour or hour, and are inexpensive (and prices are about the same), so you just do not need to schedule this. Rather, you can just go whenever you feel like it, happen to be near one of the many departure points, the weather/skies are beautiful, you%26#39;ve run out of other things to do, etc.





We%26#39;ve never had the urge to go on a dinner cruise. We%26#39;d just rather be outside enjoying the scenery than eating indoors or in the buffet line. Dinner is pricey (and the food on these receives no raves), so it%26#39;s probably better to enjoy a nice dinner elsewhere before or after.





And, because the boat tours are so inexpensive and run frequently, you can go more than once...We%26#39;ve often hopped aboard on a hot/sunny afternoon to relax and cool off, then gone again at night.





Again, you can see much better and much more from the larger boats. Many dinner cruises are on vessels that are low/close to the water with glass all around - but they are so low that, depending on the water level, the beautiful buildings and scenery are not so visible.





Since you are staying near the Tour Eiffel, you can just walk to the quai across the river and follow the signs to two or more boat tours. OR, watch for a little shuttle with BATEAUX MOUCHES on the side. They%26#39;ll sell you tickets and drive you right up to the dock. After, you can %26quot;stroll home%26quot; to your hotel. Or, catch the 80 bus from Place de l%26#39;Alma. Incidently, one of our favorite places in all of Paris to wind up the evening is the terrace of Chez Francis at Place de l%26#39;Alma.




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The Vedettes de Pont Neuf are fun, these are just small boats that cruise the river, 30 or 40 people on board. You generally can walk right up, no reservations needed. They are relatively inexpensive.





Two additional advantages to taking these: you can relax in the little park at the tip of the Ile de la Cite where the Vedettes launch, called the Square du Vert Galant, and watch the river traffic coming towards you. It%26#39;s lovely and quiet, and a unique view. You can also walk across the street to the beautiful, quiet oasis known as Place Dauphine, and have a lovely lunch or dinner at the various bistros that are located there. My favorite is La Rose de France, but there are others.





The big Bateaux Mouches are also a fun experience, but cost a lot more, and you%26#39;re sharing the experience with a few hundred people. Some people like that experience, others don%26#39;t.





I%26#39;ve never had a dinner cruise, so I can%26#39;t comment on that experience.




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%26quot;The big Bateaux Mouches are also a fun experience, but cost a lot more, and you%26#39;re sharing the experience with a few hundred people. Some people like that experience, others don%26#39;t.%26quot;





The fare for Vedettes de Pont Neuf is €11. (You can print €2 discount coupons online or book online with a €4 discount.) The fare for the Bateaux Mouches is €10.





I%26#39;d rather share the experience with %26quot;a few hundred people%26quot;, which is generally not true, than be stuck on a small boat with a bunch of noisy people where you can%26#39;t move around for good photo ops.




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I have to disagree with you djkbooks, on this one. The first and last time I was ever on a Bateaux Mouches, we got on early just so we could sit up front. As soon as the boat started moving, about a million tourists with cameras slung about their necks, walked up and stood right in front of us for the whole trip. Needless to say, we were totally pi$$ed.




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We thoroughly enjoyed the Vedettes du Pont Neuf, and found it to be neither noisy, nor crowded. Everyone on board had seats and could see quite well. It was a relaxing, pleasant, and scenic cruise. We went about 10 pm, in order to see the lights.




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There are at least three levels on the Bateaux Mouches with lots of places to %26quot;sit up front%26quot;. And, you do NOT need front row seats.





But, the best spot on the Bateaux Mouches (which most people do not discover) is the front of the main deck - for photo ops and fewer people.




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We must have had two different boats or boatloads...or something. Honestly, that%26#39;s exactly where we were sitting. Front row of the main deck. To each his own, but I strongly prefer Vedettes de Pont Neuf.




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Perhaps for a first trip you may like the tour cruises with narration. But my fave is BatOBus. 12 euros for one day, 14 euros for 2--hop on and hop off or just sruise along. No pesky narration. Great views, you are on the water and ca zigzag along to Eiffel Tower, Louvre, D%26#39;Orsay, Notre Dame, Jardin des Plantes, etc. They run until 7 or 8 at night.




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We opt for Vendettes - its a really nice experience.





When are you going? We went in the fall for an evening cruise and it was a bit chilly on the water.




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LOL!





I stand corrected on the cost. Must be that bottle of plonk red wine I drank last nite made me forget the price.

Maury church question

I was just in the area and am fascinated by the church in Maury. I could not find any information about it and was wondering if any of you on this forum might have some info.




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I had been also in the area and was fascinated the religious life there! Just found in the small town called Valras plage a church and some hundreds of meters from it a house for religious ladies coming from abroad and making some meetings for religious people!




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Are you talking about Maury near Saint-Paul de Fenouillet?




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Sorry - I am afraid not. But I have no idea where is Maury. :) I%26#39;d been in Languedoc-Roussillon.




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travel with helicopter on destination croatia-italy

can someone answer me, please, is there possibility to travel with helicopter on destination Croatia (Spalado) to Italy(Roma or near Roma some place). Thanks




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if you have money , you can do everything ::))




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Lyon Restaurant Recommendation Report

Just wanted to report on 2 excellent restaurants that we enjoyed in Lyon in late May, both very different but both an experience.





I was a little tentative about going to a bouchon, particularly with my limited french and not accustomed to offal but Notre Maison (on Rue du Boeuf) was great. The waitress spoke excellent english so I knew what I was ordering, the ambiance was very french and comfortable and the food was great. Les Adrets (also on Rue du Boeuf) was a little more formal and a bit more expensive but what a treat. The food was superb and the staff helpful as I stumbled with my french. Highly recommed both.




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Thanks a lot for your report mytiffany. I also do love Les Adrets, but never tried Notre Maison.





Congratulations, you%26#39;ve been in the loveliest part of the old city, a little away from the touristical places of rue Saint Jean.




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good tour prices before you go?

so i%26#39;ve been researching a bit between here (love you guys) and direct websites as well as expedia etal.



The museum pass i plan to purchase at CDG airport. I don%26#39;t believe i will need the carnet orange or metro pass.





i will purchase a 4 day musee pass @ 45 Euro approx. $69.50 USD. at CDG airport



day one (wed.)dinner eiffel tower, sienne river cruise, moulin rouge $238.50 thru expedia



day two (thurs) versailles fat tire bike tour thru website directly -includes everything except cost of picnic lunch 60 eruo approx. $92.75 usd



day 3 and 4 (fri. %26amp; sat.) open bus tour-hop on hop off 2 day pass $33 thru expedia



will be going to museums on friday that are open late and notre dam on saturday that are open late.



plan to see the different sites on fri %26amp; sat via open bus tour and my museum pass





does this sound like a good plan? do these prices look reasonable? should i purchase these tours beforehand with the exception of the museum pass?




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i think you are on the wrong way ...you say no need for the carte orange (you need a photo to get it) or the paris visit metro and bus pass, but how would you circulate in Paris ?



a 4 days museum pass, ok ...a Seine and not Sienne cruise, you can buy the ticket at the front desk, no line ...and you can choose your company ...Versailles, you have a RER to go, no need to pay 92,75$ .... open bus drop on/off, yes a good idea, but do it first and you can think about what to see a second time ...



Moulin Rouge, it%26#39;s not my %26quot;cup of tea%26quot;, i%26#39;m a Bobino%26#39;s show fan (with the dinner) ...




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the 92.75 is for bike rental guide tour, fare to versailles, picnic lunch




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if somebody pay me 92$75 for a bike tour from Paris to Versailles, i%26#39;ll do it, but the contrary certainely not ...




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The Fat tire tour is fun, and the price is fair.





I would not buy the hop on and off bus tour( L%26#39;Open tour) until you get there , there is ABSOLUTELY NO advantage to doing so, and some disadvanatages in doing so.



The L%26#39;Open Tour tickets are easy to purchase when you board the bus. VEry simple. You can purchase them on any bus, as you get on.



The advantage is this. Last August I had every intention of taking my friend on it, ( I have done them before with my teenage son and he thought they were fun, plus we both loved the birds eye view from the top deck, going around the traffic circle around the base of the Arc De Triomphe was so fun!) BUT, it was rainy and cool almost every single day this last trip that I went on with my friend. The bus is not any fun if you have to sit inside , no great views etc. We waited for a decent day to try it, but it seemed to rain everyday. I am glad we didn%26#39;t have to take the tour anyways , which if you pre buy tickets you will feel pressured to do. Wait till there .





Seeems like a waste to get a four day museum pass when you will only really need it for two days.




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thanks joan,



i was thinking the same thing about the 4 day museum pass but i%26#39;m not sure if i needed it for the versaille bike tour, and it was 15 euro more for the 4 day.



i guess i can purchase everything there, and i%26#39;m sure the conceirge at the hotel will be able to help.



the only thing i;m not sure where to purchase is the sienne river cruise. i%26#39;m not sure about the dinner, but i thought the cruise and moulin rouge would be worth it. i guess i can do each separately, go to dinner on our own, take the cruise w/o dinner just see everything illuminated at night, and then do the moulin rouge, again w/o dinner




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I agree you%26#39;re planning way too much ahead.





You can see the Louvre, Musee d%26#39;Orsay and any others known to have long lines in two days. Unless you plan to go to a LOT of places included on the pass, which usually means rushing all about and not enjoying them much and being confined to consecutive days, the pass is not really a huge bargain.





And, it%26#39;s better to have a look at the weather every day before finalizing your plans. Would you want to do a bike tour in the rain, if it%26#39;s really hot and sunny?





None of those passes/tickets are difficult to get in Paris. I wouldn%26#39;t bother getting a museum pass at CDG.





And, you can go to any Seine boat tour dock any time and hop on the next boat. Again, the weather...





Seriously, it%26#39;s better to go with the weather - indoors when it%26#39;s not so pleasant, outdoors when it is...





How ARE you planning to get around?




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i see everyone%26#39;s point about the weather. We%26#39;re traveling the first week of July so hopefully the weather will cooperate. As i said about getting around, the first night i wanted to book a tour to get to the sienne river cruise and moulin rouge, the bike tour will cover the transportation to %26amp; from versailles, the last 2 days i was planning on buying the on off bus tour to get to the different museums and monuments.



once i get my guide book and a feel for my surroundings, if the places i need to get to are not walkable, i guess i can purchase the 10 carnet orange from the metro station?




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djkbooks, why wouldn%26#39;t you buy the museum pass from CDG airport?




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Why wouldn%26#39;t I buy the museum pass at CDG?





Well, after an overnight flight, I%26#39;m usually a bit dazed, confused, and sleep deprived. After hiking to passport control, then collecting the bags, I like to have Euros in my pocket already, grab a bottle of water, a cup of coffee, and head straight for the taxi stand and be on my way into Paris.





You can purchase the museum pass at any participating venue and other places, so I just wouldn%26#39;t bother with it at CDG. Then, drop the bags at the hotel or apartment and get myself to a nice cafe for some really good coffee and a wonderful breakfast/brunch/lunch - after the dreadful airline food.





Actually, we bought a 3-day museum pass on our first trip many years ago - it%26#39;s not the bargain it used to be, and the only place where it%26#39;s really useful for skipping the lines is Musee d%26#39;Orsay, and maybe Musee de l%26#39;Orangerie.




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I don%26#39;t see where you have any time to just relax and enjoy the city. Alot of tours . . . any time to discover Paris on your own??? I wouldn%26#39;t prepurchase so many tours that you are locked in because you%26#39;ve already spent the money. My suggestion - get the museum pass and determine how you are going to get around (carnet or visit paris pass for the metro). Go with the flow. Enjoy the city and as the weather permits, do the other tours if you want once you get there. You can also buy the museum pass at the first museum you decide to visit, if you want. We did so at Invalides with absolutely no wait whatsoever.